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I’m not advocating for an authority to apply rules to media. I am explaining how romance options in games are pornographic.

If certain things weren’t pornographic then there wouldn’t be a classification of pornography.

Romance options in games portray an absurd and fantastical version of human interaction. If used as an empowering fantasy they can help people fulfill their unmet needs safely. If normalized they degrade people’s understanding of normal social interaction and romantic relationships. One of those is porn, the other is non porn.

No, I’m sorry. Art is not any creative expression. We can both recognize that neither of us is talking about such a generalized use of the word. We’re not talking about art class, we’re talking about art. Art represents a different qualitative class of expression. Quality is literally how you understand its unquantifiable nature.

Even if you were right, and art were just any creative expression ever, and I was able to gain the sublime transcendence and understanding of a visit to the lourve by recognizing a well balanced composition in my pre-flush =|dookie logs|=, games have another impossible to clear hurdle in their lack of elevation.

We can’t simply say that the Pepsi logo is art. For pop artists to do so required them to define and establish a context for that work to exist in. Pop art was also a cia funded psyop and absolutely not art but that’s neither here nor there for my purpose of taking the most obviously non art thing and establishing that games cannot rise to meet even its made up fake standard of artworthiness.

Games are not art and that’s okay. Not everything has to be art.

Rather than tease out a point by establishing a shared understanding of the sacred and profane and building off it I’ll just cut to the chase: The mechanical or fantastical relationship is pornographic. It has no place outside of pornography. As I said, there should be no romance options outside of porn games. The pornographic mechanical or fantastical relationship needs to be confined to the medium of pornography so that its destructive, maladaptive influence can be applied judiciously instead of expanded to everyday consumption.

We should talk about how the sims isn’t a game in a different thread. Why not make a post about it? There’s a lot of material to draw from.

Do you think people are learning the same things from say a pornographic movie and a non pornographic movie? What about a centerfold and a landscape? A steamy woodcut and a family photo?

If all those are a big resounding nope, then how come porn games and regular games are the same?

If that is so then why are all examples of art as taught (reproduction of the institution has its own problems but even if you were to go with the vernacular understanding the results are the same) in school represent the most communicative, moving works that express a culture and why are they always determined to be so many years after the fact? Why are even the works that use unconventional techniques judged using qualitative language is art has nothing to do with quality?

To put it more simply: why is Etruscan boar vessel art and disco elysium not?

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The sims is its own bag of problems (not a game).

Pornography is different, so what’s acceptable and harmful in it is different.

Games aren’t art. Not everything has to be art. Things don’t start off as art and get dragged down to some other classification. Things are elevated to the status of art over time as people recognize their importance. Disco Elysium is literally too new to be art even if it weren’t made in a non-art medium.

Because the “romance” shouldnt be part of the mechanics in non porn games and it shouldn’t be part of the fantastical conceit in non porn games.

Which of these is cool and okay outside of porn:

I was able to make someone love me because i manipulated them according to the rules.

this game is different from real life not because I’m able to chop through three sentient beings heads in a row or conjure mystical fire, but because I’m lovable.

Neither is acceptable.

Video games aren’t art.

There should only be “romance” options in porn games.

If that sounds compelling, consider that the Chinese room thought experiment was created to argue against machine learning.

Not only does it represent an intuitive way to understand how machine learning is fake, but how masking isn’t going to change the way you handle social interactions or help you develop skills.

I’m one of the 3% voting for moe.

Our government just reauthorized section 702, which allows domestic law enforcement agencies (fbi, etc.) to conduct warrantless search for us citizens in databases created by agencies tasked with prosecuting noncitizens (cia, dhs, ins).

So the noncitizen agencies are using mass surveillance technology and techniques to create a huge database of everything and it’s fine because they don’t have jurisdiction to use it against citizens, then domestic law enforcement is allowed to go searching in it with no warrant due to a legal side door.

FBI 702 searches were used against the January 6 people though, so it’s good. Literally reauthorizing the domestic surveillance state every year because it could be used on political enemies.

To hear the spook watchers talk about it, cia is pissed because there’s an outside chance fbi will get the new toy taken away.

To expand on what another poster said, the problem people are seeing with government response is that it was never driven by a desire to accomplish any public health goal, but instead was primarily based on what the Protestant ethos would allow to be proscribed. Oh we actually need people to do things for the economy to stay running? Okay you’re allowed to go and work, but you can’t have any fun.

The only policy available to the us government was based on shame and valorization of work (not workers), so it required that people to forego any pleasure to stop the virus.

As it turns out, morality is not a very good prophylactic.

You’d think the ai could get lums hair right

Anselmo is a white supremacist for sure, but idk about the rest of the band. After Darryl and the other brother kicked him out for being a big fuckup in a lot of ways someone shot Darryl ostensibly over it.

Idk. Pantera isn’t burzum, at best the band is an expression of party hick shit and all that comes with it.

That’s a pantera poster. He was a drummer in a metal band.