Don't play into the enemy's psyops. Part of being a revolutionary is learning when to keep mouths shut. Wait for resistance confirmation and then speak. Until then stay silent and carry on as normal.
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    amemorablename
    2d ago 100%

    I cannot speak for anyone else, but idgaf who is considered an "intellectual" or not. I engage with the material especially of communists who have not only put time into theory, but also put theory into practice, and anti-imperialist material that helps inform on history as well. George Jackson, Lenin, Mao, Parenti, for example.

    So far, I'm not really clear on what any of this has to do with lemmygrad. It reads like something a person might say to the podcaster "left" who has no ideological grounding and may never have read a word of communist literature in their life. Though when you get to this part:

    So, it is no trouble for you to deny the entire intellectual tradition.

    You really lose me. Because then it sounds like you're saying there's some kind of school of intellectualism people should be valuing over theory and practice, which is strange to say in a place like this, to say the least.

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  • Israel claims Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar has been killed
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    amemorablename
    3d ago 100%

    The zionist regime has been murdering very, very, very effectively the leadership of Hamas plus Hezbollah for a few months now so it’s not one of those things likely to be a lie.

    Effectively seems like overstating it a lot. They've been genociding an entire people and bombing an entire infrastructure to go with it, including hospitals, schools, etc. What they are "effective" at is using blank check firepower and funding from the US empire to bomb and torment and murder indiscriminately. If they were "very effective" at targeting leadership, they would have done this long ago.

    None of this is to disagree on the point about whether it's true, especially since it has been confirmed as true prior to my writing this comment that he has been martyred. Rather, I disagree on this exaggerative language that poses the zionists as somehow more clever than they are. If you want to say they are very very very genocidal, yes. Effective at targeting leadership specifically? I don't see how, at all. I'm not sure that's even their goal in the first place, much of the time. They love to claim secret military targets when they target civilians over and over, and naturally, in broken clock fashion, doing this often and thoroughly enough is going to hit military some of the time too because military can't operate in total isolation from everyone else and every other part of infrastructure.

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  • I saw this guy on a meme about Israel and Ukraine on lemmygrad but this guy is 100% reactionary and a Stonetoss clone
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    amemorablename
    4d ago 100%

    As a chronic overthinker myself, you might be overthinking it a bit. I'm pretty sure the point was just that the comic is misrepresenting "the left" and they (the poster) just happened to focus on the angle they did, as to how; the comic itself doesn't make sense in the first place, so trying to think too hard about how a specific criticism of it makes sense is going to be a tangled web. I don't think it's any deeper than them trying to commiserate on the comic being a bad faith representation by focusing on anti-war angle of things.

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  • I saw this guy on a meme about Israel and Ukraine on lemmygrad but this guy is 100% reactionary and a Stonetoss clone
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    amemorablename
    4d ago 100%

    I don't know what the original hippie movement was like, but I know the term has something of an association of being for peace in that sort of useless pacifist way that gets you demolished by fascists and imperialists. It also has some association with being anti-war in this way. So, misrepresenting leftists as being blindly pacifist rather than anti-imperialist, anti-colonial, etc.

    I'm pretty confident the point is like I already said.

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  • I saw this guy on a meme about Israel and Ukraine on lemmygrad but this guy is 100% reactionary and a Stonetoss clone
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    amemorablename
    4d ago 100%

    I think they are saying that the cartoon is misrepresenting leftism as a simplistic "anti-war" view, rather than anti-imperialism (a more nuanced view of violence that allows for support of liberation forces), by depicting the person as both Ukraine and Palestine supporter, which are two very different kind of situations, but in the simplistic anti-war view would be seen as the same.

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  • Barriers to entry; or, There's Too Many Damn Questions
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    amemorablename
    4d ago 100%

    I don't know about in other places, but when I joined here, I remember the questions giving me an opportunity to reflect on some things and put them more in concrete language. I'm not sure if it's the same amount of questions now as it was then, but I don't remember feeling deterred by it.

    I could see it getting annoying if I was trying to join a lot of places in a short space of time that all did that, but for a one-time, rare thing, it didn't really bother me.

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  • Chinese espionage activities overwhelm western governments
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    amemorablename
    5d ago 100%

    Beijing is conducting espionage activities on what Western governments say is an unprecedented scale, mobilizing security agencies, private companies and Chinese civilians in its quest to undermine rival states and bolster the country’s economy.

    Reads like pure projection. Like if you change the wording to:

    Washington is conducting espionage activities on what anti-imperialist governments say is an unprecedented scale, mobilizing security agencies, private companies and American civilians in its quest to undermine rival states and bolster the country’s economy.

    It's basically just what the US has been doing for decades.

    I'm sure China is doing some covert offensive things. It'd be a bit odd if they weren't considering they can't have any lasting peace while the western empire is still going. In that sense, it's more like defensive offense, most likely, in the same general meaning as Palestine trying to survive a genocide when they take out an occupier tank. Some of it's probably real, some probably fabricated to manufacture consent for cold war, but either way, the characterization of it reads like very clear projection.

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  • Kamala Harris Claims RUSSIA is Brainwashing BLACK PEOPLE!
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    amemorablename
    5d ago 100%

    The US: does terrible things for its entire existence, including fabricating crimes other nations are doing to undermine them https://youtu.be/NK1tfkESPVY?feature=shared&t=276

    Other nation: allegedly puts some extra attention on terrible stuff the US is doing in secret as an op, according to US claims

    The US: How dare you distract from the crimes we made up by supposedly calling attention to the crimes we are actually doing, other nation!

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  • Should loli posting be allowed?
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    amemorablename
    5d ago 100%

    So, I mainly wanted to chime in on the phrasing and my comment grew into something longer. I remember reading vague things in passing that loli is a little more complicated of a term than it seems at first glance. This is one article I could find that goes into it: https://medium.com/thisvthattv/so-what-makes-or-doesnt-make-a-character-a-loli-85761716b152

    This article also only vaguely brushes on the fashion/artstyle aspect of it too, called lolita, which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with sexualizing a person. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion

    The origin of the term, if the etymology analysis is correct, is certainly a big oof for connotation to say the least, but the branching off uses of it in practice are more complicated.

    It's probably simpler to just say that if people are openly pining after someone underage, that's not something that should be allowed on here and not make it any deeper than that, or we start getting into the weeds of anime and its art style. 😓 Though it's sounding like it's some kind of fandom in-joke in this case, from what commiespammer said. Not that that makes the look of it any better on the surface. In terms of the image itself, sans context, I could have believed it was an adult character and the caption was about the character being a vampire or something... anime style is cartoony enough with age like that. In this sense, if there is any underlying problem in the image itself, all I can see is the caption because of some interpretations of it. The image itself without caption is just an anime face in portrait. That said, if someone were to make a rule that said "no loli posting," based on the most extreme of what people seem to associate with the term, my mind would go to a place I'd rather it not go in terms of what I'd expect to be prohibited and viewed as the thing to stomp out, I'll put it that way; one that is many degrees more overt than the image in question and impossible to interpret as anything innocent. This is why I'm doing a "well ackshully" on the terminology. To disallow something you have to first be clear on what exactly it is that is being disallowed. Is the problem how the image was discussed? The image itself? The image with caption? At what point does it cross over from average anime girl into being a problem. I'm sure you can agree it would be a bit absurd to just say images of anime girls can't ever be posted. And "loli posting" seems far too vague to create a general rule out of, if this instance is the basis of it. "Don't post images of characters that are canonically underage with captions or comments that imply sexual interest, even if as an ironic fan in-joke" may be more actionable, albeit wordy as hell.

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  • Are there any good cartoons, anime or shows with Marxist tropes? I need fun stuff to watch to take breaks. My brain wasn’t made for theory watching all day 😅
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    amemorablename
    5d ago 100%

    Because you said fun stuff, I'll give a mention to something that's non-Marxist, but seems relatively harmless in terms of ideology influence: comedy sketch channel Chris and Jack on Youtube. Mostly they seem to inhabit that nebulous area of comedy where it's hard to pin it to any sort of specific ideological goals and is more just goofing around with various premises. Of course, everything has some kind of ideology behind it, conscious or otherwise, but point being, I find it relatively easy to enjoy their stuff without worrying too much about it being a backwards influence.

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  • Local millionaire streamer goes fully mask off
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    amemorablename
    6d ago 100%

    Yep, this was the guy with the picture that came out of his room being full of accumulated fast food drink cups and the like. White imperialist who lives in literal filth because he can't even clean up after himself, who makes ranty internet videos for a living, saying others are an inferior culture. Western chauvinists have been trained to think like malignant psychopaths on a system wide level and they bark it out with mind-boggling levels of individualism, acting like they're bravely saying original things when they're repeating colonial tropes that are hundreds of years old. And I will take the opportunity to note here, in my experience, one of the benefits of reading communist theory is how humbling it is to realize how much shit has already been said by people who lived through it; at least for me, it helped with unlearning western exceptionalism brain. Mind you, I was already consciously trying to and still do, which is probably far from a full-throated genocidal colonizer like this piece of work, but I like to mention it as an aside because I know there's a tendency in western thinkers to reinvent the wheel of ideology, thinking they're so clever and independent of thought, when they're just regurgitating basic shit that makes them a ghoulish tool.

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  • Local millionaire streamer goes fully mask off
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    amemorablename
    6d ago 100%

    I had some impression of him as being a partially politically ignorant place, but I didn't realize he was this over the top. I don't know what Twitch's track record is like on stuff like this, but if they don't ban him, they're implicitly greenlighting a whole hell of a lot of awful. I mean, even by liberal decorum standards, weak as they are for protecting anyone, this is beyond the pale.

    I forced myself to listen to it, too, to be sure I wasn't being misdirected by exaggeration and it's actually worse to listen to than the quotes make it sound.

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  • If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.
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    amemorablename
    6d ago 100%

    Which makes it strange for the admin to raise account ages as a factor doesn’t it? Why would it matter what age the account was? People should be treated with respect and given thebenefit of the doubt regardless of their time here.

    I cannot find anything regarding them raising it as a factor, especially not in a way that would imply you were treated unfairly for it. You seem to be the only one bringing age account up in this thread. I don't know why you don't simply quote the evidence of stuff if it's so important to what you're saying, unless you don't actually have any.

    Because the classic “genuinely curious” redditism is always a lie, every time. There was no “genuine fucking question” as she put it. It was all a set up to throw a tantrum instead of simply correcting the mistake.

    Again, this is mind-reading, not evidence of anything.

    Yes. I don’t see the issue with this. It’s the only theory that makes her tantrum make sense, and as you’ll see shortly, she’s very sensitive about her kiddie porn for a very good reason.

    And you continue to make insulting insinuations about her, even as you try to say you're the one who is being bullied.

    That admin was repeatedly dishonest, insulting and was threatening to deny my right of reply in a comm created for this purpose. It’s just bullying and denying a simple process would be a lowlife thing to do.

    I read nothing bullying. Only disagreement with you. If you consider someone not agreeing with you to be bullying, then it's no wonder you are having the out of proportion response to this that you are having.

    No, I do not consider this person to be a comrade of mine, and you shouldn’t either. This is just a “No u r” response to my valid question.

    Then don't try to gotcha an admin by asking if it's "comradely" behavior when talking about how another user acts.

    This is an effective perma ban. How do you think I could possibly continue on here having been baselessly labelled as a racist with a target on my back for vindictive and emotional admins?

    That's how you feel about it, not the reality of the situation. Tbh, I had forgotten it even happened until you made this thread and if you were truly concerned people would remember and hold it against you, you could have simply made a thread clarifying your side of the story, as I already stated. Instead, you have chosen to make it about attacking others.

    I am self assured in my righteousness because I am me, I know I am not racist, I know I was not toxic and I know I was attacked. These are things I can’t not know. You’re damn right I’m indignant.

    Incorrect. You can know you don't intend to be racist, first of all, but you don't define whether your behavior is. That's only something that people among groups subjected to racism can fully judge properly. Else white people would just be able to say "I'm not racist" and they'd get a pass, even as they do obviously racist things. And to the other points, even more so, "I was not toxic" is your personal judgment on the matter.

    I had plenty of time to think about this and decide on this approach. Give the admins an opportunity to explain themselves and they failed this simple matter, being completely dishonest throughout.

    I cannot see how this is what you did. From where I'm standing, you came in guns blazing, accusing people of things and throwing around words like abuser and thug.

    I honestly appreciate the thoughtful way you’ve approached this. As I said above, I calmly and rationally decided that this was my only recourse. Give the admins a chance, they embarrassed themselves. Two tried to misrepresent the order of events, always erasing the abusive and toxic way I was responded to, the third has indulged in a new fantasy about me being ableist about dyslexia to add to me being called racist and transphobic. These conceited idpol attacks are so incredibly immature and the first refuge of a scoundrel.

    Yeah I mean, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and you are using it to trash talk others more, while refusing to budge an inch. I see nothing embarrassing from the admin posts of the sort. I see them taking time they did not have to take, to walk through what happened, and explain their reasoning. That you call any of this "idpol attacks" only gives me reason to think that the original accusation of racism was touching on something real. I should have made that connection earlier, tbh. Sometimes the people most sensitive to being accused of racism are sensitive to it is precisely because they haven't unlearned their racist inclinations (sometimes ones they are unconscious of). I imagine this is the part where you'll decide I'm a bully/thug/scum/scoundrel as well now too, since my judgment is not in favor of your actions.

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  • “Understanding the Mind of a Hamas Jihadist”
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    amemorablename
    7d ago 100%

    It's frustrating for sure. Prominent western atheists seem to suffer from much the same problems as other western "thinkers" who don't have any political education in liberation, in that they tunnel vision on a narrow lens (in this case, atheism) and think they're deriving everything from it, when they're really just doing imperialism, colonization, racism, etc., "with atheist characteristics." And they don't see it because the other parts are so normal to them and they're so unaware of any alternative that it simply doesn't occur to them their thinking is 90% the propaganda they are immersed in and only 10% atheism (to put it roughly, I'm not saying the percentages are exact). This is not to give them an out though, some of them probably are at least partly aware and are grifters and ghouls in their own right, but I don't get the impression they are all aware enough to be malicious; I think some of them are just really overly focused on atheism as a lens in itself.

    I know one of the main takeaways I had in becoming more politically educated, was realizing that I need to make a distinction on colonizer religion vs. the religion of the colonized. That I've been almost exclusively exposed to colonizer religion and although it's likely nothing would change whether I believe in a god or gods at this point, I don't need to have any opinions about any particular religion I don't understand, especially among peoples who are being vilified by empire. And I am consciously more open-minded to the religions of colonized peoples, knowing I'm going to be dealing with a lot of lies to get through to the heart of how they are actually practiced and by who, and what factions and sects they have now or historically.

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  • If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.
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    amemorablename
    1w ago 100%

    EDIT: Two responses from admins who dishonestly reframed the events of my ban and apparently refuse to explain it. Apparently “long time users” get different treatment.

    As far as I can tell, you and the other person in question have accounts of about the same age, with yours actually being a bit older.

    I was randomly attacked by a bad faith troll who later let slip that she was bearing a grudge based on some other encounter from 8 months ago.

    If you are talking about this:

    …oh hey, weren’t you the same person who had a problem with people liking anime stuff - to the point you called them “predditors” for it and even scared away a trans person from the Touhou community while I was away?

    The way the post is written, it is not clear whether she was aware of who you were until that moment and this part would imply that at worst, she was aware and was trying to give the benefit of the doubt and not fight at first:

    Bold of you to think that I was trying to “pULL a GoTcHa” when it was a genuine fucking question from my end.

    But something about your comment:

    akhon dekhaite porbe stronger it’s mot…

    Set her off. Why, I don't know. This appears to be where the exchange breaks down and you decided that she was someone who was trying to misrepresent and slander you on purpose, and so you should respond in kind. You could have as easily said, "I misread and thought X was Y." Personally, I still don't understand what the "reading error" even was because you don't seem to have said that.

    they were just operating under a long simmering grudge about their ephebophilia hobby being criticised, months ago.

    (In another post in this thread) you take a dig at her even in the process of trying to say it's her who is holding a grudge? And please don't say I'm trying to cherrypick, I'm reading to see if you explain the reading error and this is the sort of thing I find.

    permanently damn yourselves as a group of thugs without integrity or honour

    And this to an admin.

    Was it comradely to leave a comment up telling me to “eat soft shit”? Do you endorse that treatment of comrades?

    Is it comradely to make sweeping proclamations that condemn others as trolls, abusers, and/or thugs over your personal reputation in one exchange on the internet? I'm sure it sucks to feel painted as the sort of person you despise if you only meant well, but I'm trying to put this in perspective. This isn't a committee for the afterlife banishing you from eternal paradise, it was a temp ban on an internet forum. This could have been a thread where you explain what the misunderstanding was derived from and that you want the record to be clear as to why you were never intending to come across how you did; or a thread where you politely ask for clarification as to what the misunderstanding was, if it is not clear to you. Instead, you have been very confident in a strong "you message" that others are mistreating you and actively intend to do so, with mind-reading and a singular shaky interpretation of their words and actions as the primary evidence behind your claims.

    I know enough about how internet exchanges can go to know that it's possible for you to be in the right here, while still going about it completely the wrong way, in a way that makes matters overall worse. I've had to learn that lesson before, in other online places. I'm doubtful this person or anyone else in this thread is the bad faith attacker you think they are and not just part of a misunderstanding with things getting heated, but either way, your approach to this says a lot that is demanding and accusatory with little to back it up in substance. If that is your way of resolving the feeling of being targeted by targeting others in kind, recognize that it's what you're doing and learn to put it aside for those you want to be comrades with. If anyone deserves a chance to resolve a misunderstanding, it is them. It's not always fair. Sometimes you have to be the more patient one and do what you can to deescalate. Find someone you love and get a hug, then give this another look; I mean that literally, or figuratively if there are other things that help you more. Make sure you feel safe and loved. I mean nothing demeaning by this either. The point is to ground yourself, to ensure you can approach this from a position of clarity and readiness to handle the conflict without escalating unnecessarily. Take care.

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  • Mexico’s President Condemns Aggression on Gaza, Calls for Recognition of Palestine
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    amemorablename
    1w ago 90%

    Hopefully someone with a better understanding will chime in if I'm at all off here, but from the standpoint of entities who are working on a larger scale, I believe the argument goes something like that a two state solution is incompatible with israel's settler extermination goals, while also benefiting Palestine and Palestinian people vs. their current situation, and so sometimes it makes more sense as the position to take, even if it seems weaker on the surface than it is; because it is simultaneously the more diplomatic and peaceful position, while also being one that materially runs counter to what israel is about. For israel to truly embrace peace and accept the sovereignty and self determination of those they have dehumanized and targeted for extermination for decades implies losing the point of being out there in the first place, it implies having to give up on their ingrained culture of superiority and entitlement, it implies facing accountability on a large scale system level for what they have done in order to make the peace stick.

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  • Welcome to the dream economy y'all!
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    amemorablename
    1w ago 100%

    So often, the language of the imperialist class reads like straight out of an abuser's handbook:

    "You don't know how good you have it."

    "If you don't like it, you can leave."

    "If you left, they'd gut you, unlike here."

    "Do you have any idea how much worse it could get if you don't do what I say?"

    "They don't care about you like I do."

    "You're so childish when you complain."

    "Siding with me is the mature thing to do."

    "If you're not with me, then you're helping my enemies."

    "You're scaring everyone by opposing me, stop being so dramatic."

    "I am the best you will find. You really think you can do better? You're delusional."

    Note: Although I am paraphrasing, none of this is outside the spirit of things I've seen written/said by imperialists/capitalists/etc. and those who defend them.

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  • Basically, wanted to know where people are at with mask wearing (as it relates to containing covid and all), I know it's been a while since it started. And I've seen people who say covid can still be threatening, like through long covid and such, even if the initial impact doesn't tend to be as bad. Being in the US, it's especially hard to tell what makes sense because the gov sorta gave up on containment a while back and only ever half-assed pushing mask wearing. And wearing a mask alone was a controversial thing in some places, even in the very beginning. Then there's vaccines, which of course help, but seems to be a thing like the flu where you have to get boosters to be fully covered for variant strains. So in general, I'm wondering stuff like: 1) Do you still wear a mask or not and why? And do you have distinctions like large crowds or anything like that? 2) How does mask wearing compare by country, from what you know? For example, I'm sure China has a more pro-mask-wearing culture and policy overall, but I'm not clear on where they're at this late into it. Partly asking cause I want to re-assess my own position on it, see if it makes sense to change it at all by now. I've still been doing it, in part out of inertia, but the US management of it is such a mess, in gov and culture, it's hard to tell when it makes sense to stop vs. just caving to peer pressure of people who were never acting responsibly to begin with.

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    Disclaimer: This may read bleak, but I'm not in a bleak state of mind. I will post a comment with my thought process behind it. **The Anti-Science Infantilization of the Modern Tech World** You get up and read the news. Halfway across the world are things happening you have no control over and if you put yourself out there and protest it, you get told to stop speaking when a politician is speaking. You go on a job website and submit an application, but you may not ever receive a rejection and if you do, you will likely receive no information on why your application was rejected and some other person's wasn't. Was it something you did? Was it nothing you did? You don't know. You go on a dating app and try to match with people. If you're a man, you probably send out a lot of likes or messages that never get a response. Does your profile suck? Are you sending poor messages? You don't know. Maybe they're never getting seen in the first place. If you're a woman, you probably receive more likes and messages than you know what to do with and a lot of them are mean and objectifying. You did nothing to provoke this other than existing as a woman and no matter what you do on there, it keeps happening. You go to the grocery store to get food to live on, but some product you used has been discontinued again. You have no idea why and have to figure out a replacement. Furthermore, some product whose prices you relied on as stable have gone drastically up. Meanwhile, you're being told the economy is doing well. No one ever consults you on any of these things or tells you why it's really happening. They just say it's inevitable and your lot in life. In fact, they may say it's for your own good. You go to use your favorite product and it got a major update. A bunch of features you were relying on have changed. They say it's a better product this way and you should get used to it. You hear on the news that it'll be time to vote again soon. This is the one time, around every four years, that they say your decisions and your opinions matter. And they're telling you that this time, like the last times, it's the most important decision, possibly ever. Where with everything else, you were told to deal with being helpless to the fate of opaque systems you're not allowed to understand or weigh in on, you're now being told it all comes down to you. You drum up some sense of duty in you and you go do it. It's done. You did your part. The results come out and things go back to being as they were before. You get up and read the news. Halfway across the world are things happening you have no control over and if you put yourself out there and protest it, you get told to stop speaking when a politician is speaking. You are discouraged from using scientific process and thought to navigate the world. Everywhere you turn, the mechanisms you're up against are hidden from you. Instead, you are told to use willpower, told to use attitude, told to think differently, and eventually the universe will come together for you. Meanwhile, the machine of exploitation turns on scientifically designed wheels. The overseers of colonization, the overseers of the global capitalist empire, use science to exploit and place layers of indirection upon the process so you can't see it. You look in the mirror. You can only see yourself anymore. They'll give you a mirror so you can focus more on yourself. You see a failure looking back, a helpless abject figure. They tell you to blame yourself. You try to work on yourself to love yourself more and build yourself up, but you keep hitting invisible walls. No matter what you try to do differently, you're flying blind. And that too, they say, is your fault. It always comes back to you and can never be them. They can take away every limb, deprive every sense you have, and still they will tell you it's your fault. A failure of willpower and attitude.

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    I feel like I could do a big write up on this - I could if I wanted to. Which incidentally is the theme here. As a point of focus, there is a song by that name, which can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUuU99c_9mY It appears to be parodying the kind of person who has apathy, or even aversion, toward participating in "normal social standards" and insists that they could do it if they wanted to, but don't want to. What I find interesting about this, as it relates to a forum like here and the stuff we're able to recognize and talk about, is that I suspect there's some connection in that mindset to hyper individualism. Notably, the mindset in question is not "I can't do it," or "the system is stopping me," or "I am revolted by what it wants me to do" on their own. The mindset appears to be more like: "I kind of want to be normal, but something is in the way; however, because I can't accuse the system of being at fault, it has to be something wrong with me. Therefore, what it comes down to is that I could do it if I wanted to, but I don't want to. I maintain my self-esteem by making it a purposeful choice of mine to 'fail' rather than anything systemic." Thoughts? Edit: little tweaks to wording

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    I'm not sure how else to put it. As an example, someone who cares about issues of LGBTQIA+, but when it comes to issues of capitalism pushing exploitative practices in video games, they are siding against the player and doing the "it's on you how you spend" shtick. I suppose another way to frame this would be "how do you deal with selective empathy?" Because that seems to be how it in some cases, that the person cares about the thing that personally impacts them, but otherwise, they'll side with the exploiter in a heartbeat. It disgusts me when I see it in action, so much so I almost wrote this as a rant post in the comradelyrants section instead. But I feel it's a topic that deserves more discussion attention than that. In general, the mindset that goes something like: "So this company dropped some spikes on the sidewalk." "Well I think if somebody stepped on them, that's on them. It's really obvious that they are there and I went out and walked just fine and had a good time, I just walked on the grass to get around the spikes." The implication: individuals should be expected to change their lives to accommodate the careless, dangerous, or otherwise predatory behavior of others and if they don't, it's their fault. Like what kind of poor excuse for humanity is this stuff.

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    If there's already been discussion on this at length that someone knows of, feel free to link me. I've been thinking this over because it's one of those recurring talking points that comes up. I may have even talked about it here before in passing, but I don't remember for sure. But I wanted to talk about the core of how BS it is and the main way I see it get used. Which is that of someone saying "my [relative] lived in [socialist state] and fled it", or they will leave out the first part and just say "people lived in [socialist state] and fled it." And then the implication or outright stated, "Why aren't you taking this as proof that communism bad? Clearly communism bad!" The primary way I've seen people counter this is pointing out that those who were fleeing were sometimes, well... members of the former exploiting class. Which is true. But I'm not sure the talking point is even worth entertaining to that degree. Because like: 1) As far as I've seen, nobody provides actual hard numbers on people "fleeing communism" relative to other situations where people flee a conflict or just leave a country to go to another one in general. In fact, it's often an anecdotal claim about a single person: "My relative." 2) Is there even such a thing as a major conflict/upheaval in a country at scale where it was possible for people to flee and nobody fled? Like big change can be scary and it's always going to be somewhat disruptive of status quo, even if it's an overall benefit going forward. Not to mention major changing of hands of power usually involves some violence. So this leads me to: what is supposed to be different about communism that makes people "fleeing it" special? I've yet to see any explanation on that and so it makes me think that may be a point to push back on with people. That rather than even talking about the nature of why, first ask how it is supposed to be a special kind of "fleeing". And also, when it's purely anecdotal, asking why they are supposed to be taken seriously over the opinions of the millions (or more) of people who make up X socialist state. In that regard, it sounds a lot like the "one of my closest friends is [racial minority] trope" in that they are sort of implying the people are monolithic and one or a few can speak for all of them. Thoughts?

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    More specifically, this is about people bothsidesing the ongoing genocide that zionists are committing, but I titled it more generally because this is something that can be difficult to deal with in general. In the past, I've tried to be diplomatic and meet people where they're at, slowly imparting information where I can and presenting my views where I feel able to. I rarely actually get worked up about these things in person and am generally able to go through it with people patiently, but this is something that is really pushing me to my limits. I think what is most galling to me about it, that I find as a theme in liberal thinking and struggle to be patient with at times, is the arrogance of it. I put a lot of time into these things, time that they clearly haven't put in, only to have them speak to me about it as if their position is equal and worthy of listening to simply because it is theirs. As if we are exchanging views on our favorite TV show. I will be plain too, in saying that, quite frankly, it hurts. On top of everything else, it hurts to see someone you love and trust be clinging to talking points that confuse, downplay, or otherwise misunderstand a horrifying ongoing genocide. These are people who I know mean well because I've known them my whole life and I know what kind of compassion they have, which makes it all the more disturbing to see them speaking in such a way. It illustrates how critical and influential propaganda is. But knowing that doesn't inherently make me more effective at getting people to cross that threshold from "nice" liberal to person who understands the world as more than imperialist talking points.

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    My instinct is that the first (hero complex) would tend to lead someone to adventurism, but I'm not super clear on what the second (collectivist mindset) looks like in practice. Having grown up in the US, where individualist seems to be pushed to an extreme degree and collectivism equated to being a hivemind, it's a bit difficult sometimes for me to understand what collectivism looks like in practice. Where it gets especially difficult for me, and why I thought to come ask here where people may be able to help with the distinction, is that I have people-pleasing tendencies to a degree that seems unhealthy; in the sense of not valuing my own needs and boundaries to the extent that it's difficult for me to be properly equipped to help others in the first place. In the vague land of hypotheticals, I get that difference; ok, I make sure I am taken care of to the extent that I can function effectively and then I can help others, right? But in practice, where does this line make sense for a more collectivist effort, is I think the question I'm trying to get at so that I can point in an effective direction in practice, without either: 1) Slipping toward individualist thinking in order to satisfy criteria of being "less of a people-pleaser" or 2) In the other direction, using collectivist goals as a means to feed existing people-pleasing tendencies (and forgetting to value myself in the process). As it is, conditions are not always as clean as in the hypothetical. Getting needs met can be multifaceted and take significant time. Could the problem here be that I'm just lacking strong examples to learn from in my life? I don't know. But I put the question to you. Hope this makes sense.

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